Talk:Comfy Bed

Efficiency maths

Math on efficiency is wrong. 830/1030 minus 830/1230 means nothing really. The correct calculation would be to simply take (1300-1100)/1100, which is ~18% increase in sleeping efficiency. The 70% constant drain should not be included and I'll explain why below.

The real question of course is how much extra work time this gives your dupes in one cycle. Dupes drain stamina at 70%/cycle constantly, even while sleeping. This is the static rate. This means every cycle, dupes must recover 70%/cycle to maintain equilibrium. Since we are going to include the static rate, even while sleeping, into the total cycle calculation, we do not include it in our sleeping calculation. It is already accounted for.

So, then the math is very simple again. 70%/1100% = 6.36% sleep/cycle 70%/1300% = 5.38% sleep/cycle. Essentially, we gain ~1% of our dupes time back by switching to comfy beds... It's not much, but it's something... I guess.

Just to double check the math, (6.36%-5.38%)/5.38% = ~18%. But again, this number is pretty irrelevant. The takeaway is 1% of a cycle less sleep.

This is irrelevant. dupes are assigned sleeping slots and regardless of whether you use cots of comfy bed, you will need the same amount of slots. Therefore you don't save any time. P.s please sign your posts. Chintam (talk) 18:08, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

No, you DO save time (but yeah, not a lot of it), so long as you actually know what you're doing.

Total recovery time is always longer than one full time block and shorter than two full time blocks.

Dupes sleep until both the sleeping slots end AND they get to 100% energy.

Typical "time economy" policy would look like this. Work for most of the day, then allot "free" time just enough to get to the "bathroom", use it, then get the food and actually START eating it. Next to that is the sleep block with just enough time to finish eating and get to the bed. You only assign two time blocks to that if you're afraid that for whatever reason it could take that dupe more than a whole time block to finish eating and get to bed.

Regardless of details the idea here is that there should be LESS than 2 time blocks between when the dupe actually starts sleeping and when his work day starts anew. Because in this case the dupe will "sleep in" exactly till the point when his stamina goes to a 100% and will NOT waste any time.

P.S. I'm not the guy who did the math. 79.172.68.63 20:12, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Dupes actual work time is around 80% of a cycle. Or at least that's the stat of my least-mobile dupe, the scientist (for the rest of them walking is a bigger part of working so it's harder to measure). One 1% of cycle less sleep for him translates into an increase from 80% of the cycle spent researching to 81% of a cycle spend researching, so it's closer to 1.25% final efficiency.

Over the course of 200 full-cycles that saves me a "whooping" 2.5 work-cycles.

For comparison I only save ~1 work cycle per of 200 cycles of having a surplus morale of 20 on a "super-productive" dupe (what a joke). 5% chance to trigger means 10 triggers over 200 days. 10% chance to insta-finish during 10 days means around a total whooping 1 day of insta-finishes. If this was one day out of 200 where everything is guaranteed to insta-finish that'd be OP, but since it's spread out the total saved time is close to just one day.

FFS can ANYONE at Klei's office do math? or is it that they just don't care about their "bonuses" (btw, Latin grammar naziz will be shot on sight) being nothing more than placebos and fakes? 79.172.89.249 05:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)